Friday, June 8, 2007

Secular morality and genocide

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secular. In any case, he wanted absolute power. The largely secular population of ethnic Jewish people in USSR were kept in the dark about a great number I've been having an interesting debate with someone on youtube regarding the idea that a secular government (or a secular person) left alone has the propensity to become a monster like Hitler or like the Communist system of exterminating religious people. I think it could use some feedback from historians on what people exactly were targeted by the Soviet government in general as I do not feel that religiosity was the determining factor in the Soviet case. The Khmer Rouge was clearly a horrible communist group that murdered 7 million believers.

I'd like to get feedback on your thoughts of what morality falls within the extra-biblical world (such as not condoning slavery) and what morality is derived from Biblical teachings.

On the side of Religiosity being to blame for genocide:

20 million native americans killed to make way for protestant Christian pilgrims and colonists under both British (largely religious/catholic) rule as well as by Christian presidents and congress.

Hitler -- around just under 5 million jew --

Need proof of his belief?

Kyle J. Gerkin's year 2001 critique of Lee Strobel's The Case for Faith, entitled "Objections Sustained!"
On the subject of Hitler:
Hitler was born and raised Catholic. "I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so," Hitler himself told Gerhard Engel, one of his generals, in 1941. In Mein Kampf he says, "Therefore, I am convinced that I am acting as the agent of our Creator. By fighting off the Jews, I am doing the Lord's work." And at a Nazi Christmas celebration in 1926 Hitler declared: "Christ was the greatest early fighter in the battle against the world enemy, the Jews ... The work that Christ started but could not finish, I--Adolf Hitler--will conclude." So why should we possibly consider him an atheist? Because he was evil and killed millions? Undoubtedly this is why Strobel would like us to think so, but it is a bigoted and insulting lie.


Witch hunts: 63,000 in 300 years. (Source: The Witch-Hunt in Early Modern Europe, 2nd ed. (Harlow, UK: Longman, 1995), p. 25.)

The following source names a plethora of other deaths by leaders who held religious beliefs, though each individual one is not grouped together as the figure of Communism is. Anyone want to tally it up? No matter the score, it was high enough to prove the point that religious people, like secular communist people can be capable of genocide.

Source:
http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat0.htm#European

On the side of secular led murders:
Stalin estimate is 20-40 million with the majority count being at 20 million.

Stalin is attributed as an atheist by many, but the Russian Orthodox Church was allowed to remain as a patriotic organization under his rule and became the state recognized religion. So it's debatable that Stalin himself was completely secular. In any case, he wanted absolute power. The largely secular population of ethnic Jewish people in U.S.S.R. were kept in the dark about a great number of the killings Stalin did as he would publish papers condemning anti-semetism, but allowed Hitler to purge Jewish people, and was responsible for setting up quotas of violence. Were the people evil, or the dictator, I ask. I am on the side of the dictator having mislead his people, like Hitler, into doing unethical things.

Khmer Rouge: over 2 million - (source http://www.ppu.org.uk/genocide/g_cambodia1.html) -- "All political and civil rights were abolished. Children were taken from their parents and placed in separate forced labour camps. Factories, schools and universities were shut down; so were hospitals. Lawyers, doctors, teachers, engineers, scientists and professional people in any field (including the army) were murdered, together with their extended families. Religion was banned, all leading Buddhist monks were killed and almost all temples destroyed. Music and radio sets were also banned. It was possible for people to be shot simply for knowing a foreign language, wearing glasses, laughing, or crying. One Khmer slogan ran 'To spare you is no profit, to destroy you is no loss.'"

Estimates of all deaths by all Communist leaders seems to hover around the 100 million mark. There is no clear idea of what individual events are counted among that figure. (Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Russia_a nd_the_Soviet_Union)

Read carefully the body counts from the referenced sites I've listed. I think overall, you'll see that genocide seems to be practiced regardless of belief, supporting the idea that religosity has no greater or less bearing on the propensity for committing genocide than being secular.

Wednesday, May 23, 2007

Guns N' Roses - You Could Be Mine (1991)

and assesses that killing him would be a "A waste of ammo." He then stares at Axl Rose for a while and then walks off. Izzy "You Could Be Mine", released in July 1991, is American rock band Guns N' Roses's second-highest selling single and one of their most popular songs. It appears at number 12 on the 1991 album Use Your Illusion II. The song was written by both Izzy Stradlin' (who was the then-rhythm guitarist for the group) and Axl Rose. Originally, this song was written about Izzy's failed relationship with his ex-girlfriend, Angela Nicoletti. Some fans believe that one of the lines in the chorus "You could be mine, but you're way out of line" was directed at Angela.

This song was not originally going to be the official theme of Terminator 2: Judgment Day and was not released on the actual T2 soundtrack. Yet, from John Connor's friend's "Guns N Roses" T Shirt to The T-800 taking out his shotgun from a box of roses (thus playing a pun on the band), the references to Guns N' Roses that were made in the film were so clear and obvious that it was a wise business decision to make when Director James Cameron decided to recruit the band to perform a song. As it would turn out, "You Could Be Mine" was selected.

Arnold Schwarzenegger had Axl and the band members over for dinner at his own home to negotiate the deal. Axl and Arnold soon became very good friends and Arnold admitted that he loved Guns N' Roses' music in future interviews.

Arnold appears in the video as the T-800 Terminator from the film who arrives at a Guns N' Roses concert, having mission orders given by (presumably) Skynet to terminate the band (fearing that the band's musical influence and raucous style may be the fuel humans need in the war against the Machines). When the song is finished, the Terminator confronts the band and individually assesses each member. He gets to Axl and assesses that killing him would be a "A waste of ammo." He then stares at Axl Rose for a while and then walks off. Izzy Stradlin was conspicuously absent from the end section of the video!

Back in 1991, the video clip was one of the most requested during that period and it most definitely built up a lot of hype around the release of Terminator 2. As the video features clips from the movie, it could not be put on the DVD Welcome to the Videos for legal reasons.

The song is remembered for its minute-long drum and guitar intro and Axl Rose's "YEAH!" at the end. It was played during the ending credits of Terminator 2 and was heard in the film itself in early scenes with John Connor.

Live versions included some twin-guitar parts by Izzy & Slash (later on Gilby & Slash), and sometimes Slash used a BC Mockingbird (as in the video) instead of his usual Gibson Les Paul. At Rock In Rio II, Axl's microphone failed and Izzy had to sing most of the second verse and chorus.

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
-Edited by MickeyToss


"I thought the comment was another one of your super lame attempts at disturbing me BUT IT TURNS OUT THAT IT IS A GUNS N ROSES "YOU COULD BE MINE" CLIP FROM THE TERMINATOR MOVIE! I was feeling super sick but I think my fever broke when I opened the guns n roses video.
:D:D:D!"
-Miss Tan, 19, Student,
Singapore's Undisputed No. 1 Guns N' Roses Fan...
(On an online interview, Miss Tan claimed that this video helped in relieving her fever on Feb 9th, 2007.)


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